Talk about living in an age of quarrell. The beef between Harley Flanagan and John Joseph continues as Harley takes to Facebook calling out John about not wanting to let him join the recent CRO MAGS lineup. Currently Craig Setari of Sick Of It All has been filling in on bass duites. Check out the exchange below..
Harley Flanagan Cro-Mags UPDATE!!!!
"John has still Not asked me to join him for Any shows even though I have made it clear that it would be not only my pleasure to do some form of reunion but also the Right thing to do, After All this time and with All the attempts i have made to make it happen youd figure hed finnaly bend, if not cause its the right thing to do, or cause i started the band of for our old friendships sake then for the fans who would love to see it happen. He at this point is the Only reason it is Not, John Unblock My Phone # Unblock me from the "cro-mags" facebook and Your facebook page and make it happen. AJ get out of Johns ear and let the right thing happen, Go back to leeway and let the Real Cro-mags reform not some tribute project with one member under the guise of a name that is just a shadow of what it should and could be!!! have some honor have some dignity and pride John do the Right thing instead of capitalizing of something that We did together and songs that me and parris wrote! Do the right thing stop being selfish think of something other then your self and your ego and false pride, what about My kids?? what about the other guys who were in the band?? its not all just about You. Do the Right thing You have my number,unblock my phone,unblock me from your facebook and make it happen Or you are Really showing Your True collors. Be that guy who i once knew or thought i did, You want respect, show some. Call me." HF
John Joseph's Response:
"I will address what Harley's been writing one time and that's it - then I'm done with this crap. And I'm only doing it because close friends who's opinion I value said I should, and unlike all his internet shit talking, I will not make it personal.
First off I am not in charge of the Cro-Mags it's a democracy, nor do I handle the business. No one wants to gig with him. Why? Well maybe because they remember what he pulled back in 2001 during the last reunion. I first of all was led to believe the beef was squashed between us only to be told by him "the beef ain't over, I'm just here for the paycheck." That whole 2000 reunion thing was a pre-meditated plan to fuck me over. That's coming from G-Man the drummer who HF confided in a told his plan to. In HF's own words,"Nobody likes me cuz of the shit that went down (ratting me out, stealing etc), playing with that dude I'll get back in the scene and then we will fire him, kill the cro-mags and start Harley's War." Ask anyone who was there AJ, GMan, Rocky George. Why do you think they all continued on with me and the Mags when he QUIT THE BAND at Hellfest after he started shit with the entire crowd and we were about to get jumped. I took his back even though I shouldn't have, telling the guys I will have to fight them as well. Again ask anyone who was there. At that point we had a Japan and Aussie tour set up, plane tickets were bought on my friends credit card totaling almost $18,000.00 - so two days after he quits he says hes doing the tour. I said Okay great. Well, GMAn called and said hes not doing the tour hes just making sure you cant get another bass player and hes planning on not going and burning you guys for the plane tix. So we went with someone else and he called all the promoters threatening law suits. I swore from that moment on I would never walk on stage with that dude again and I haven't for any amount of money.
So as far as TRUE COLORS and all the other shit he's writing... I don't want or need his respect, and honor and dignity are qualities that come by actions not empty promises or internet talking. Every action on that dudes part has been to screw us over. He even screwed over Parris. Ask him why he doesn't gig with HF anymore. Since he seems to have a very selective memory and is now making it look like we are the bad guys, screwing over his kids, anyone who wants to know the deal should read my book. ITS ALL TRUE. As I said he quit, we went on. Everyone in the Mackie, AJ, Craig or Mike are brothers. There's no back stabbing - stealing, or fuckery going on. We have a great time on the road and we never have beef with anyone. It ain't about the money as he claims..... if it was I would have toured last year with him in Europe where we were offered a shit-load of dough. Its about the message of the Cro-Mags and the love of the music... always was. So if dude wants to call us the No-Mags or a Cro- Mag tribute band, fine, we will be the best tribute band ever. But get the fax straight... I'm an original member as is Mackie. AJs' been in the band for 20 years and Craig (S.O.A.I.) or Mike (Skarhead) hold the fort down just fine. So you guys can sit home read and believe the rants or come out and see us... either way I respect all of your decisions. But me personally - I WONT GET FOOLED AGAIN with the whole we used to be brothers b.s. rap. Cheers and Best Wishes to all even HF." JJ
The quarrell continues...
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